Romanians abroad

topic posted Sun, July 24, 2005 - 4:51 AM by  Tia Maria
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I am a 34 old US resident, born in Romania and holding a Romanian and a UK passport. I live in Orlando, FL at the moment. I know there is a Romanian community out here, but for a number of reasons I only associate with a small number of its members.

Are there many Romanians living abroad? Some official statistics say there are about 2 million, mostly in the US and Canada. Where are the larger communities? Do you seek out a Romanian community only because they come from the same place and speak the same language as you? Or do you need more? Personally, I think we have to share more than just the place of birth and the mother tongue. I lived in the UK for 10 years before moving to the States and I only made a couple of Romanian friends, although I could have gotten/stayed in touch with many more. That's all I could come up with, after taking into consideration age group, background, people's character, education level, common goals and interests, etc.

What do you think?

Maybe you are a non Romanian with an interest in our country and our people, seeking out to associate with us? What are the Romanian things that interest you most?
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Tia Maria
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  • Re: Romanians abroad

    Sun, July 24, 2005 - 6:49 AM
    I just came back from Romania a few weeks ago. My mother was born there and her family fled in 82 during Ceausescu. So it was the first time we were back. Very beautiful country and people. I just have to brush up on my Romanian a bit. I plan to go back soon to Busteni and Slatina. Where in Romania are you from?
    • Re: Romanians abroad

      Sun, July 24, 2005 - 2:01 PM
      Hi Renee. I'm from Bucharest, the capital city. I lived there until I was about 23, then moved to Oxford, then to London, UK, where I met my American husband. I've been in Central FL since December 2002. However, my entire family is still there and I just returned from visiting them last Monday (18 July).

      I take it you are born here in the US and you visited there for the first time this year. Many things have changed, as I'm sure your Mother can tell you. I'm not sure if everything is for the best. Sure, for the most part there is freedom of speech, you can buy pretty much everything you can think of and there generally is more colour and vibrancy. And some people have really done well for themselves. But the contrasts between the rich and the poor are so much deeper. All bad habits of the Western Culture have found their way in and unfortunately, not all good things have made it. Corruption is rife, at the highest level possible. Few people make it without some serious support from behind, be it political or material, or both. Many, many educated people are looking to emigrate, mostly to Canada, but some also to the US. The brain drain will prove costly in a few years, if it hasn't done so already. From my generation (highschool graduation in 1988), less than half are still in the country.

      Romania has so much potential, it is beautiful and has very capable people.... but it is not doing all that well at the moment. It's sad, but true. It has been "mismanaged" for 15 years.... There will be another generation before things start to change from the core.


  • Re: Romanians abroad

    Sun, July 24, 2005 - 5:42 PM
    My family and I came to the US in 1980 - I pretty much grew up in a total vacuum of Romanian culture as there really isn't a vibrant Romanian community in Los Angeles.

    With the exception of one person my own age in high school I found that I had nothing in common with most Romanians I ran across.

    While looking to learn more about Romanian history (past and present) I have found little available. Most that I have found that is well written from a neutral point of view is in fact written by non-Romanian authors.

    Of course, there is Andrei Codrescu who does his semi regular commentary segment on NPR and he is a hoot to listen to.

    I've tried to see if anyone in Romania is interested in exchanging some photos or something as I am interested to know what Bucharest looks like now, especially the places I grew up - But no one seems much interested.

    I'd love to go back and visit at some point - But right now it isn't at the top of my list of things to do. I can't really explain why, but I have some mixed feelings about going back.

    One thing I would love to do (I know, it's a little vindictive) is find my first grade teacher in Bucharest - the one that punched me in the face and knocked me to the floor when I was in first grade - the one who had me fail the first grade because we were considered traitors to the socialist republic as we had obtained out exit visas just before the school year ended - I'd like to go back and shake his hand and look him in the eye - of course he won't recognize me - but I would remind him who I am and then tell him to go fuck himself.
    • Re: Romanians abroad

      Sun, July 24, 2005 - 6:02 PM
      I was definitely taken back by on the westernization of the country. Specifically in Bucuresto and Brasov. The transition period from communism to democracy has always been shaky and there's a great amount of corruption in the Parliament. Trouble is, the corporations are taking quite an advantage over all this, and the tourism industry is profiting quite nicely. Hotels and casinos galore. Talk to the elders and they'll tell you as soon as the borders opened to foreigners the country and culture went down the toilet.
      How did your family get here? 1980....my mother came a couple years after that. 1983 I think. Still under Ceausescu's reign at that time.
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        Sun, July 24, 2005 - 6:16 PM
        I think it took from about 1977 to 1980 to actually do it all legally... We had to renounce our Romanian citizenship when we left the country as was the custom. Went to Rome and waited there for a few weeks till we got a residency visa. Could have been anywhere - Canada, Australia... But it ended up being the US... Landed at JFK... Tried to meet with my mom's cousin, but that fell through...

        To me NYC seemed like a total nightmare. I spoke no English and was not old enough to even have a sense of expectations of what the West was like... In retrospect, it is fascinating to think that I was submerged into American culture with a total blank slate - which I am also grateful for.

        So, we left NYC within the week and ended up in suburbia in Los Angeles.
      • Re: Romanians abroad

        Sun, July 24, 2005 - 8:52 PM
        One thing that was lost and that we would probably never regain is the sense of humour and the subtleties of language that we developed, as a cryptic way of communicating and yet staying out of trouble. I do still talk that way sometimes and find that people look at me in a funny way.
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          Sun, July 24, 2005 - 9:00 PM
          That is one thing that I thing is entirely good - The sarcasm of Romanians. You're right - With few exceptions, most people in the US don't have a flare or appreciation for sarcasm.

          I think the English language and lend itself to the subtleties of double entendre, but it is seldom used in everyday conversation. Most American comedians prefer the blunt approach of shock comedy.

          I have some LP's of Romanian humour, and it's like listening to voices from the lost continent of Atlantis.
          • Re: Romanians abroad

            Mon, July 25, 2005 - 9:36 AM
            There is a group called Divertis, they used to do good comedy, though I heard that lately - like all things that are around for too long - they have lost their edge. You probably also know about Alexandru Andries, the architect, blues singer and language "manipulator" - his song lyrics during the old regime were so covert that he stayed out of trouble, however with the right interpretation, they were incendiary. Though he maintains a good degree of humour and irony, that edge has gone too. In fact, a lot of Romanian culture has just vanished over the last 10-15 years.

            Having said all that about Romanian, I lived in the UK for 10 years and am used to the British subtleties and dry humour. You're right, most humour here is laugh out loud stuff, direct hit. However..... there is that guy Jon Stewart on the Comedy Channel, who is awesome (to use an Americanism). Let's see if there is a Jon Stewart tribe to join :-)
            • Re: Romanians abroad

              Mon, July 25, 2005 - 12:41 PM
              Daily Show tribe... It's one of the few programs I watch regularly.

              I'll see what Romanian LP's I have in my collection and if anyone wants a copy I'm more then happy to oblige. Perhaps we can trade some stuff...

              I still have my first grade abecedar as well... Beautiful picture of the illustrious leader in the front page. I'll see if I can post some scans for laughs!
          • Re: Romanians abroad

            Sun, July 31, 2005 - 11:05 AM
            That's because you ended up in LA. If you'd stayed in New York, you would have had a lifetime supply of irony.
            • Re: Romanians abroad

              Wed, August 10, 2005 - 12:17 AM
              I prefer Los Angeles to New York... Plenty of irony here as well - Just speaking of the lack there of in the average mean...

              I like the Pacific and earthquakes amongst other things of the West... Guess I lucked out and ended up in the right place.
    • Re: Romanians abroad

      Sun, July 24, 2005 - 6:03 PM
      Oh and also that story that you had about the first grade teacher-
      my mother and uncle have the same story. But they said they didnt give a shit because they where getting the hell out of there!
      • Re: Romanians abroad

        Sun, July 24, 2005 - 6:11 PM
        I was a small child and didn't really understand what getting the hell out of there meant, so it was quite unpleasant to be derided in front of the whole class as worthless, especially after having excellent grades. In retrospect, it's kind of a badge of honour.

        I remember the teachers daughter was in the same class - Not sure what her deal was, but she was a bit unstable. One day she decided that it would be amusing to sit on top of her desk next to the door and smack other kids on the head with a heavy book as we came in from recess. I did not find this pleasant and complained about it. As far as I am aware this is one of the things that lead to me being punched in the face by the teacher and waking up on the floor... I think he also didn't like it when I corrected his math in class...

        I remember that he wrote some damn awful play that the entire class was given tickets to go see with out parents.
    • Re: Romanians abroad

      Sun, July 24, 2005 - 8:46 PM
      Where did you grow up? Maybe I have some pics or at least maybe I know what has happened in the area over the last 15-20 years.

      You can find out good, objective info about the current state of the country on the Romania Libera website (www.romanialibera.ro). Also, the BBC has a decent Romanian service (www.bbc.co.uk, first select Europe on the left side of the screen, then under 'languages' go for Romanian on the bottom left).

      I don't blame you for wanting to tell that teacher to eff off.... but chances are that he is some senile old bastard now, not even worth your breath. That;s if he is still around, of course.
      • Re: Romanians abroad

        Sun, July 24, 2005 - 9:11 PM
        My family home was in this neighborhood across from the lake - Floreasca (did I spell that right?) - As a matter of fat, if you walked to the end of our street and crossed the bigger street, there was the lake... In the 60's the whole neighborhood was due to be demolished for some socialist building project and most people moved out - My grandparents moved to a fine socialist ten story apartment complex, but my patents stayed and were only planning on leaving when the bulldozers showed up... They never did... So, I imagine that the house my great grandfather built is still there. I've been trying to find a good virtual map of Romania that I can look up the address on.

        I was actually staying with my grandparents the night of the big earthquake - I think that was 1977. Fortunately the builders of this building didn't mix the cement too thin and it stayed up, unlike a lot f other buildings in Bucharest.

        It's funny living in Los Angeles and having people say, "How can you deal with earthquakes?" - I just tell them that after dealing with that one in '77 on the 7th story of a 10 story building I really don't get all that worried about small earthquakes.

        Thanks for the links - I do need to practice my Romanian reading skills as they've gotten real rusty without the opportunity to use them.

        Oh, you're quite right about the teacher thing - I just amuse myself with that bit of vindictiveness... The sweet revenge is that while I was growing up in sunny Southern California he probably had to wait in line for bread in the snow.
        • Re: Romanians abroad

          Mon, July 25, 2005 - 8:00 AM
          Am auzit despre acel cutremur. Meu bunic au fost un miner si el lucra subteran in timpul de cutremur. Foarte mare cutremur, da? Multi oameni au discutat despre acela.
          Meu tatu a lu bunic a cladit una casa en un oras miti de Impotesti, aproape de Slatina en Sud-Est de Romania. La casa existeaba acum.

          Si eu nevoie a practica lectura si scris en romaneste mult. Nu de ce crem un forum de scris en romaneste?

          Renee
        • Re: Romanians abroad

          Mon, July 25, 2005 - 12:53 PM
          Floreasca is where my parents lived when I was born, but we moved about 1 year later to one of those hideous concrete blocks on the Southern side of the city..... As far as I know, Floreasca is a part of the city that has mostly escaped the demolishing process, and it is one of the few areas in Bucharest, where you can still see older villas and small, quaint blocks of flats from the beginning of the century. It is one of the most expensive areas in Bucharest, due to the fact that it still preserves some character. Many of these villas have been restored. Also, there are many new buildings, corporate offices and new villas that have sprung up in recent years. Now this is all about the Floreasca district as a whole, if you remember the street name, I might be more specific.

          Funny you should mention not being afraid of earthquakes, having lived through 4 March 1977. It is one of the main reasons why I/we are not moving to the West Coast. I left Romania in 1993 and I have experienced a total of 3 major earthquakes (though none of the ones following 1977 was as bad) and a lot more smaller ones. I am so afraid, that I rule myself out of living in one of the nicest states in this country!
          • Re: Romanians abroad

            Mon, July 25, 2005 - 3:08 PM
            Trust me, the earthquakes are no big deal... Certainly less so then tornadoes, huricanes and tropical storms... But I guess that's just a matter or personal preference...

            Asked my mom for the address - Sergent Constantin Somoiog nr. 14 - It was in Sector 1, if that still applies.

            The apartment building was off of Calea Dorobanti on Strada Mierli...

            It's funny - since I left when I was so young all I remember is flashes of memory but not much with a continuous narrative.
            • Re: Romanians abroad

              Sun, July 31, 2005 - 11:10 AM
              Sector 1 still applies. And judging by that address, the odds are it's still there: the area around Piata Doribantilor is reasonably intact. (Hope I'm OK participating in this particular thread as a non-Romanian...)
              • Re: Romanians abroad

                Sun, July 31, 2005 - 11:23 AM
                Sure is OK, and yes the Dorobanti area is reasonably intact. The reason being, it's one of the more upmarket areas in the city at the moment and many of its villas are inhabited by people who had an interest to keep it that way. I.e. people in higher up positions, in the right parties or with the right business connections.

                I have asked my family who still live in Bucharest to check out if the two addresses above are still there.
                • Re: Romanians abroad

                  Wed, August 10, 2005 - 12:19 AM
                  Gee - Thanks!
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                    Re: Romanians abroad

                    Thu, August 11, 2005 - 5:52 PM
                    Hey, sorry for not replying sooner. I ran a search on the website below and I did not find a match for the two streets you mentioned. Maybe they have been renamed. If you remember any other streets in the area, you might be able to pull up a map.

                    www.pmb.ro/
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                    Re: Romanians abroad

                    Fri, August 12, 2005 - 2:02 AM
                    I'll have a look - I believe that at least one of the streets has been renamed.

                    google maps has a fairly descent satellite image of Romania and one can zoom in pretty far on Bucharest... Not as far as the US stuff where you can see cars on the street... But it's interesting. I can almost picture on the photo where our house was off the lake...

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